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	<title>Comments on: On the Variety of Human Needs: Maslow and Max-Neef</title>
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		<title>By: Evan Hadkins</title>
		<link>http://blogsinmind.com/lib/2009/01/06/maslow-max-neef/#comment-158</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan Hadkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 20:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Pablo,

Apologies for the slip of the finger.  Unfortunately I cannot edit the post - this is up to the editor of this blog. [Editor&#039;s Note: Fixed. Not sure how one &#039;Man-Neef&#039; slipped into a sea of &#039;Max-Neef&#039;, but it did!]

I like the way you analyse the difference between the two approaches - static and dynamic.  As you say I don&#039;t think they are opposite approaches.

I don&#039;t think they identify exactly the same needs: Max-Neef&#039;s leisure doesn&#039;t appear in Maslow&#039;s list on my reading.  (A difference between Latin and Anglo culture?  I&#039;m an Australian, a culture which is decidedly Anglo in some ways.)

Thanks very much for your comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Pablo,</p>
<p>Apologies for the slip of the finger.  Unfortunately I cannot edit the post &#8211; this is up to the editor of this blog. [Editor's Note: Fixed. Not sure how one 'Man-Neef' slipped into a sea of 'Max-Neef', but it did!]</p>
<p>I like the way you analyse the difference between the two approaches &#8211; static and dynamic.  As you say I don&#8217;t think they are opposite approaches.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think they identify exactly the same needs: Max-Neef&#8217;s leisure doesn&#8217;t appear in Maslow&#8217;s list on my reading.  (A difference between Latin and Anglo culture?  I&#8217;m an Australian, a culture which is decidedly Anglo in some ways.)</p>
<p>Thanks very much for your comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
		<link>http://blogsinmind.com/lib/2009/01/06/maslow-max-neef/#comment-157</link>
		<dc:creator>Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 19:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Evan, 

I don&#039;t think they are necessarily opposite approaches. I do believe Maslow&#039;s theory tends to create this feeling of &quot;restriction&quot;, when saying that you need to satisfy lower level needs in order to move up in the pyramid. However, I believe the key to this difference is the perspective they are both based on. 
Max-Neef (not MAN-Neef, please correct that in your post) analyzes the human behaviour in a continuous period of time. During that continuous, low and high level needs are satisfied at the same time. However Maslow sees it in an &quot;instant&quot;. If you take a photo of my needs, right now, you can classify them hierarchically. Some will be more important than others, of course. 

Maslow&#039;s analysis is static, Max-Neef&#039;s is dynamic. And like Carol noted, they identify the same needs. 

Best,
Pablo, from Argentina.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Evan, </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think they are necessarily opposite approaches. I do believe Maslow&#8217;s theory tends to create this feeling of &#8220;restriction&#8221;, when saying that you need to satisfy lower level needs in order to move up in the pyramid. However, I believe the key to this difference is the perspective they are both based on.<br />
Max-Neef (not MAN-Neef, please correct that in your post) analyzes the human behaviour in a continuous period of time. During that continuous, low and high level needs are satisfied at the same time. However Maslow sees it in an &#8220;instant&#8221;. If you take a photo of my needs, right now, you can classify them hierarchically. Some will be more important than others, of course. </p>
<p>Maslow&#8217;s analysis is static, Max-Neef&#8217;s is dynamic. And like Carol noted, they identify the same needs. </p>
<p>Best,<br />
Pablo, from Argentina.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Hadkins</title>
		<link>http://blogsinmind.com/lib/2009/01/06/maslow-max-neef/#comment-156</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan Hadkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 08:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Barbara,

I like your critique of Maslow very much.  I hope you like Max-Neef.

Hi Caroljeanwk,
I&#039;m sure you&#039;re right (in my experience) about identity and transcendence.  I hadn&#039;t thought of the link between leisure and the sabbath, very true though.

Hi Diane,
For me too.  I couldn&#039;t see myself being satisfied with working, eating, sleeping.

Thank you all for extremely valuable comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Barbara,</p>
<p>I like your critique of Maslow very much.  I hope you like Max-Neef.</p>
<p>Hi Caroljeanwk,<br />
I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re right (in my experience) about identity and transcendence.  I hadn&#8217;t thought of the link between leisure and the sabbath, very true though.</p>
<p>Hi Diane,<br />
For me too.  I couldn&#8217;t see myself being satisfied with working, eating, sleeping.</p>
<p>Thank you all for extremely valuable comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane</title>
		<link>http://blogsinmind.com/lib/2009/01/06/maslow-max-neef/#comment-155</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 04:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Evan,

Yes! I think self-actualization and self-trancendance are important to my  life. They are what make life worth living.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Evan,</p>
<p>Yes! I think self-actualization and self-trancendance are important to my  life. They are what make life worth living.</p>
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		<title>By: caroljeanwk</title>
		<link>http://blogsinmind.com/lib/2009/01/06/maslow-max-neef/#comment-154</link>
		<dc:creator>caroljeanwk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think self actualization/actualisation has a lot to do with finding your identity through the meaningful. I think self transcendence has alot to do with freedom and freeing yourself. You dont often see leisure as a human need, yet the idea is as old as the sabbath. In school we had to memorize Maslow&#039;s heirachy. I never saw the Man-Neef list before but I like it better, being at once more precise and more open.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think self actualization/actualisation has a lot to do with finding your identity through the meaningful. I think self transcendence has alot to do with freedom and freeing yourself. You dont often see leisure as a human need, yet the idea is as old as the sabbath. In school we had to memorize Maslow&#8217;s heirachy. I never saw the Man-Neef list before but I like it better, being at once more precise and more open.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara</title>
		<link>http://blogsinmind.com/lib/2009/01/06/maslow-max-neef/#comment-153</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Evan,

When I first read Maslow&#039;s hierarchy it was distressing. Actually, it&#039;s still distressing because I wasn&#039;t fitting the mold. It was as if he said to me you have to get all this stuff done, accomplished and well-established and then and only then will you be able to move on to self-actualizing.  The thought of giving up before I started was in effect handed to me.

What I found in my own life is there is not only not this order to things, the order changes for all kinds of reasons, intermingles, one affects another, etc., whether I like it or don&#039;t. There is inevitability, times when I seem to have no control.

Yes, I can force the hierarchy, and have, even continue to attempt it, but at the same time it makes me a slave to it.  With almost the guarantee I won&#039;t get to the sought after increments in the &#039;upper three&#039; portions.  All my energy could possibly be usurped by maintaining my wealth or some other pursuit in the lower levels. Or even just a combination of concentration in only those areas.  It is definitely about a delicate balance, to suit my own being, where I have to dance with different partners almost simultaneously or at least with seamless transition. 

I never read anything by or about Man-Neef&#039;s list, but it does seem my view may be closer to his. I&#039;ll take a look. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Evan,</p>
<p>When I first read Maslow&#8217;s hierarchy it was distressing. Actually, it&#8217;s still distressing because I wasn&#8217;t fitting the mold. It was as if he said to me you have to get all this stuff done, accomplished and well-established and then and only then will you be able to move on to self-actualizing.  The thought of giving up before I started was in effect handed to me.</p>
<p>What I found in my own life is there is not only not this order to things, the order changes for all kinds of reasons, intermingles, one affects another, etc., whether I like it or don&#8217;t. There is inevitability, times when I seem to have no control.</p>
<p>Yes, I can force the hierarchy, and have, even continue to attempt it, but at the same time it makes me a slave to it.  With almost the guarantee I won&#8217;t get to the sought after increments in the &#8216;upper three&#8217; portions.  All my energy could possibly be usurped by maintaining my wealth or some other pursuit in the lower levels. Or even just a combination of concentration in only those areas.  It is definitely about a delicate balance, to suit my own being, where I have to dance with different partners almost simultaneously or at least with seamless transition. </p>
<p>I never read anything by or about Man-Neef&#8217;s list, but it does seem my view may be closer to his. I&#8217;ll take a look. Thanks.</p>
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